Since when is Russia so anti-gay? I thought they were all about that stuff. Communists, you know - old-school propaganda poster boys for social progressiveness! They're not who you think of when you think of prudes. For one thing, they're all godless and shit, right? What do they base their puritanism on, in that case? Anyway, I do realize that not all Russians would consider themselves "godless," but if they're coming out officially as a gay bash nation, and they're also officially or traditionally more or less an atheist nation, then what, might I ask, the fuck? What's an anti-gay stance even based on when you take the bible out from under it. A giant turtle?
I do know that a stance like that isn't always something people feel they have to foist off on God. Of course I know there is strong anti-gay sentiment in many cultures, and in some cases it may just come down to people feeling grossed out by this whole notion of a dick in the ass. Even still, I'm just so used to anti-gay stances in this country coming down to fundamentalism that I can't even picture what another so-called "Western" nation would find to base it on. I wonder what chapter and verse the Russians cite amongst themselves to put this one over with force and emphasis?
Wasn't Lenin gay? Or wasn't legendary Marvel comics antihero/Iron Man adversary The Crimson Dynamo - wasn't he gay? I always got the idea he was gay. And speaking of propaganda posters, all those bright expressionist posters featuring the rippling, iron-jawed Idealized Worker way back in the 30s or 50s or whenever, isn't it generally acknowledged that that whole motif was basically a thinly-veiled camp fantasy? At once a sublimation and exaltation of the male homosexual libido? Why is he at work in his undershirt?
I feel like this whole gay thing is really coming out of nowhere, for Russia. It's making them look pretty weird on the global stage, to be all strutting out there on their big gay-hate parade, and can't even blame God as to why. Anyway, it's a confusing issue, and I'm sure to be paying more attention to it soon. This has been another In-Depth Glance.
I do know that a stance like that isn't always something people feel they have to foist off on God. Of course I know there is strong anti-gay sentiment in many cultures, and in some cases it may just come down to people feeling grossed out by this whole notion of a dick in the ass. Even still, I'm just so used to anti-gay stances in this country coming down to fundamentalism that I can't even picture what another so-called "Western" nation would find to base it on. I wonder what chapter and verse the Russians cite amongst themselves to put this one over with force and emphasis?
Wasn't Lenin gay? Or wasn't legendary Marvel comics antihero/Iron Man adversary The Crimson Dynamo - wasn't he gay? I always got the idea he was gay. And speaking of propaganda posters, all those bright expressionist posters featuring the rippling, iron-jawed Idealized Worker way back in the 30s or 50s or whenever, isn't it generally acknowledged that that whole motif was basically a thinly-veiled camp fantasy? At once a sublimation and exaltation of the male homosexual libido? Why is he at work in his undershirt?
I feel like this whole gay thing is really coming out of nowhere, for Russia. It's making them look pretty weird on the global stage, to be all strutting out there on their big gay-hate parade, and can't even blame God as to why. Anyway, it's a confusing issue, and I'm sure to be paying more attention to it soon. This has been another In-Depth Glance.
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Per your comment about being grossed out, yes, I would imagine they base it on natural law. But I have not done any research.
Regarding all the idealized statues of workers, that actually kinda fits. After all, look at ancient Greece. They idealized the human body, especially the male body, especially the ideal, physically fit male body. They considered this an expression of the ideal male mind/soul. They considered women not to really have minds or souls. This effectively cut off any real communion between men and women. Thus, though we needed women to have kids for us, a much more ideal kind of love was man/man. (Or, actually man/boy - ick!) The women did what you would expect and moved to the island of Lesbos.
For all their famed logic, those fathers of Western culture had some strange beliefs.
Funny how natural law applies only to what grosses me out. Ancient Greece, I've always suspected that there were no more than about 10% homosexuals in the population, then as now. Impossible to say of course! But I can't imagine the actual proportion of people who found themselves attracted to their own sex, and not to the other sex, was higher then. Homo sapiens has not changed in the eyeblink between ancient Greece and today.
Of course, their culture had fewer hangups and stigmas. They were not grossed out. And so there was undoubtedly more experimentation by people who tried it, "no big deal," and found it not their thing. I find this approximately as troubling as people experimenting with vegetarianism. Lot of people doing that then, too!
Nothing wrong with it.
From reading I know it was not uncommon for homosexual men of my generation or younger to not realize they were gay, even to themselves, until well into adulthood - and have straight relationships of varying degrees of success in their younger days before figuring out what was going on. I don't believe these guys were what you could call "bi." They were basically "experimenting" but only because they'd been taught that straight was the thing to be, and nothing else occurred to them as an option. From what some of them have said to me, there was never any question of where they'd end up - in retrospect, as much as they wanted to be for social reasons they were never straight, or going to be.
I don't have any reason to doubt that assessment. I guess anyone can say there are some people out there whose orientation is either "chosen" or "taught" - but this isn't the experience of anybody I've talked to about it. My orientation was sure not chosen or taught. It just was. I didn't even know what sex was at that age, but I definitely knew who I - well, let's leave little 8 year old Joe's fantasies alone. GROSS.
Of course, it's anyone's right to be private about anything they wish, but such was not my intent here.